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Re: Weight Watchers

#1091 Post by TheyCallMeMrGlass » Sun Mar 13, 2011 7:52 pm

aruif wrote:Thanks Mr Glass. I don't quite feel that way but enough is enough right. Only get one life have to do what you have to do. I could slip behind 100 times in my goals to be healthier and happier but as long as I keep getting back up and giving it another go I think I'll be ok eventually :)
You sounding like Rocky Balboa "its about taking the punches and getting back up" - Quite the warrior arent ya ;)

Right then, Abs talk :)

In answer to Rawr_oxo and others here who seem to be doing a lot of situps, let me first warn you of a very common misconception. You can do 5000 sit-ups a day and you wont lose an ounce of fat in the middle. Fact. What sit ups will do for you is build your ab muscles. NOT lose BODY FAT. So you can have the greatest looking abs in the world but if you dont burn the excess fat off, those beautiful abs will be hidden. SO....

IF you want to lose the body fat around the midsection, you simply have to continue BURNING the FAT by doing cardio. You see when lose the body fat, the loss of fat occurs all over the body. You cannot "target" the areas of losing fat. Furthermore the rate of loss is different in different parts of the body and differs between each individual. And in most cases, after losing most of your excess body fat, guess which part of your body has the last portion of it?... yep, your midsection ;) When you get to that point, that last part takes a bit of work getting rid of, but it will go, just be patient ;) But it gonna be by doing sit ups.

But continue doing your core exercises to maintain a stable strong core but do not go excessive on it. Your body needs to be well balanced by doing exercises on ALL your major muscle groups in your body.

So I have 2 healthy suggestions for you, to getting rid of the fat

1. If you maintain the same calorie consumption in your current diet, then do more cardio. Make sure you sweat. Dont just sit on a stationary bike pedalling and read a Woman's Own (or Maxim, lads). You're in a gym. Make the most of it. Work sweat. If you're not sweating, you are wasting your time! More you work, the more you burn the fat. What ever cardio machine you use, make it fun. Time yourself and then try beat your best time on further visits.

Then after say 3 weeks change your cardio routine to include Interval training. By this, what you need to do is run (or cycle, cross trainer whichever) for 2 mins, then sprint hard for 30 seconds. then repeat this for a period of 15mins if you are a beginner, 20mins for intermediate. As you progress, sprint for 45 secs then 1 minute, also increase your speeds as you become fitter. A further fatburning mechanism is to include hill intervals also. This is magnificent way to burn fat quickly, as your heart rate continues to pump for the rest of the day, burning more fat, than a "normal" run/cycle/etc.

If you dont like the gym, do classes like what Valda does. And mix those classes up, Boxercise, circuit, pump, etc. They all make you sweat but its all about how much effort you put in. Give it everything you got. Grunt! Scream! When I was doing the recent classes which were full of girls, I didnt hear any of them screaming or grunting, I like to hear them grunt and scream....wait, where am I going with this? um backtrack..

The other way to lose fat is of course to maintain your current amount of exercises/cardio and slightly decrease your calorie consumption per week (but not too drastically, otherwise your body will go into a starvation mode and preserve fat)

One other fat loss trick is to work out your weekly calorie deficit and split it into 6 low calorie days plus 1 high calorie day (your comfort/reward day!). Its very effective, works for me and is what most fitness professionals recommend.

The other most powerful fat burning trick is to split your meals into 5 a day. So breakfast, mid morning, lunch, mid afternoon, dinner. This has the effect of increasing your metabolism rate. Which means all your physical activities and exercises will burn more fat than usual.

So...that was a bit of a long answer to whats the best way to lose fat around the midsection, sorry. But to summarise and recap, you cannot isolate where you lose fat. Core exercises builds your core muscles. Just that. However, if you do an abs blast, you can both lose a bit of fat (but NOT neccessarily around the midsection! and tone your abs at the same time).
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Re: Weight Watchers

#1092 Post by TheyCallMeMrGlass » Sun Mar 13, 2011 8:13 pm

rawr_xoxo wrote:Ive recently developed a habit of eating nuts :shifty:
is the graze boxes fault!
Everytime I want something sweet I grab some nuts/raisins instead :D
And I have my peak district trip this weekend!
Plenty of exercise happening there! :) Looking forward to it! :)

MrG have you got any suggestions for exercises that target the annoygin bit of fat that persists to sit on my midrift?
My student gym does core sessions every wednesday which ive been trying to attend, and my satfat intake isnt exactly extortionate(and now eating healthy fats from nuts) sooo something should be making a difference?
:shifty:
Just one more thing....congratulations on reaching the point where all that is left is the "annoying bit" :) You've been quite a star, since you joined here. o/

You have now reached the relatively hardest part of the journey. This is where you need to be a little more strict with what eat. Not in quantity but quality. Try to eat as natural and unprocessed food as possible. Go for organic everything :) Well, at least as much as you can afford to. All you need to do is Continue the fat burn routines, and as I can imagine your abs are bulging all the way to Scotland, ease up on the sit ups ;)

Of course when doing muscle group excercises, high reps, low weights is the common pattern to assist fat loss. But there is a limit of effectiveness when doing too high reps. You get nothing out of doing more other than unneccessary fatigue and time wasting. Reps limit per set should be maximum 25 per set (maximum 3 sets). When that becomes too easy, you modify the core exercise. So if you were doing a crunch with feet on floor, modify by raising your legs of the floor. Add twists to it etc. If you do exercises with dumbbells or kettle bells, increase the weight, rather than reps (if you reached recommended maximum reps). Get the idea?

And oh, dont get too addicted to nuts (maximum 4 times a week is ideal). Otherwise your body becomes too sensitised to them :) I make 4 of my meals per weak a tub of mixed nuts and seeds (300 calories in total). Like you say, they are good essential Omega fat.
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Re: Weight Watchers

#1093 Post by aruif » Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:00 pm

I'm now scared of mrglass! hehe

i do however also agree that my best training was interval training but at the moment i'm just swimming and doing my core muscle strengthening exercises until i'm able to fully get back to the gym. (i keep throwing my back out!)

all this talk of the gym makes me want to go now!

my swimming aim is to work back up to swimming a mile in one go. i feel both exhausted and exhilarated after doing 80 lengths and it's nice to try and beat my time every time i manage it. i don't always manage it sometimes that last 20 lengths seem unbearable... not to mention boring! before christmas i was managing to swim about 3 miles a week even if i split it up a bit. be great to get back to that soon :)

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Re: Weight Watchers

#1094 Post by weliveandbreathewords » Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:21 pm

I think my problem might be interval training, in a packed student gym its hard to switch machines, i shamefuly do half hour on the treadmill, then my weights before i leave :shifty:
I know I should do a mix, Im aiming for 10 on the crosstrainer, 15 on the bike, 10 on the rower, 15 mins running, 10 walking :S
I might go all out this week in prep for next weekend :shifty:
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Re: Weight Watchers

#1095 Post by valda » Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:26 pm

rawr_xoxo wrote:I think my problem might be interval training, in a packed student gym its hard to switch machines, i shamefuly do half hour on the treadmill, then my weights before i leave :shifty:
I know I should do a mix, Im aiming for 10 on the crosstrainer, 15 on the bike, 10 on the rower, 15 mins running, 10 walking :S
I might go all out this week in prep for next weekend :shifty:
you can do interval training on one machine. I used to do it with my trainer. the running machine can go uphill, etc, same as the cross trainer. I always did mine on the treadmill, he would cover up the timer, speed etc so I never knew how long I'd been going for. He would do the same with my planks, lying to me how long I'd managed, he sure knew how to manipulate me
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Re: Weight Watchers

#1096 Post by weliveandbreathewords » Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:30 pm

I do an hour on top incline at 6.5 atm, I did start running but then I pulled a muscle near my hip so I couldnt run, havent tried again since incase it aggravated it again :(
hmm might try again tomorrow, no harm in trying!
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Re: Weight Watchers

#1097 Post by valda » Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:34 pm

rawr_xoxo wrote:I do an hour on top incline at 6.5 atm, I did start running but then I pulled a muscle near my hip so I couldnt run, havent tried again since incase it aggravated it again :(
hmm might try again tomorrow, no harm in trying!
that's not interval training. You need to work your heart rate up and down.

This is off wiki

Interval training is a favorite of coaches because of its effectiveness in cardiovascular build-up and also its ability to make more well-rounded runners / riders. However, it is also applicable to exercisers as it helps improve exercisers’ aerobic capacity to exercise longer at varying intensities (Mayo Clinic, 2009).

This method of training may be more effective at inducing fat loss than simply training at a moderate intensity level for the same duration


Interval Variation I: Standard3 – 5 minutes warm-up (light ride, low intensity, gradually increasing at the end of the warm up period)
1 minute moderate or high intensity followed by 1 minute low intensity (repeat 6-8 times)
3 – 5 minutes cool down (light ride, low intensity, gradually decreasing by the end of the cool down period)
[edit] Interval Variation II: Pyramid3 – 5 minutes warmup
30 seconds high intensity, 1 minute low intensity
45 seconds high intensity, 1 minute low intensity
60 seconds high intensity, 1 minute low intensity
90 seconds high intensity, 1 minute low intensity
60 seconds high intensity, 1 minute low intensity
45 seconds high intensity, 1 minute low intensity
30 seconds high intensity
3 – 5 minutes cooldown
[edit] Interval Variation III: Sports Conditioning3 – 5 minutes warmup
2 minutes moderate or high intensity followed by 2 minutes low intensity (repeat once)
30 seconds high intensity followed by 30 seconds low intensity (repeat four times)
60-yard sprints (or 10 seconds) followed by 90 seconds rest (repeat 6 - 10 times)
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Re: Weight Watchers

#1098 Post by TheyCallMeMrGlass » Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:34 pm

aruif wrote:I'm now scared of mrglass! hehe
Well, you know I thought I let you guys settle in this thread for a while before I unleashed my annoying powers ;)

aruif wrote: i do however also agree that my best training was interval training but at the moment i'm just swimming and doing my core muscle strengthening exercises until i'm able to fully get back to the gym. (i keep throwing my back out!)

all this talk of the gym makes me want to go now!

my swimming aim is to work back up to swimming a mile in one go. i feel both exhausted and exhilarated after doing 80 lengths and it's nice to try and beat my time every time i manage it. i don't always manage it sometimes that last 20 lengths seem unbearable... not to mention boring! before christmas i was managing to swim about 3 miles a week even if i split it up a bit. be great to get back to that soon :)
Awesome. You know swimming is one of the best all round exercising activity and the great thing about it is its non impact nature and yet resistive forr muscle toning too. I wish I actually swam more myself, will take it up again sometime in the future.

And thanks Valda, for that Wiki entry. Absolutely right but interval training can be modified in different kinds of intervals and in fact for progression you must vary it. The next step in progression is to randomize the intervals (called rather bizarelly "Fartlec Training"!). I always wear a hear rate monitor in all my cardio activities to monitor my heart rate particularly in interval training as I use my heart rate range rather than equipment speed. This ensures you always work within your Aerobic and Anaerobic heart rate training zones appropriately. I dont want to get too technical becasue that just bores everyone. But basically you work in your Aerobic zone (60-80% of your maximum Heart rate) for the longer periods then anearobic zone (81%-90% of max HR) for the shorter periods, (ex: 70% 2min run, 30sec sprint to up your HR to say 85% of your max HR)

I really recommend this method but I dont want to give too much info overload ;) but you all seem really keen on your research now which is brilliant. So to calculate your max HR, there is a simple standard formula:

For Men: 220 -Current Age = Max HR
Women: 226 - Current Age = Max HR

Its very general though but please dont train too close to it. And do not ever try train above 90% of your max HR for long periods. I wore Polar Hear Rate watch with bands that were compatable with the gym equipment. Someone bloody stole it when I was on my PT course would believe it! I since wear Garmin. But heart rate monitors are very affordable, a decent basic Polar one costs £25 and you dont need anything fancier. I had b*ght a more expensive one and to be honest I never used the extra features. The basic watches are sufficient.
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Re: Weight Watchers

#1099 Post by TheyCallMeMrGlass » Mon Mar 14, 2011 12:10 am

rawr_xoxo wrote:I do an hour on top incline at 6.5 atm, I did start running but then I pulled a muscle near my hip so I couldnt run, havent tried again since incase it aggravated it again :(
hmm might try again tomorrow, no harm in trying!
I admire you ferocious enthusiasm fo fitness but you must be careful with how you exercise at the gym. Technique and sequence is of paramount importance, and dont forget to warm up then stretch your muscle groups before main workout to avoid those pulled muscles.

Furthermore, you can spend much less time at the gym and achieve far better results. One hour climb on a treadmill will stengthen your hamstring, quads and calf muscle groups...buit was that your aim? If it was to burn fat, then a 20 minute interval training would have been 10 times more effective. Try that tomorrow instead ;)

Regards that hip injury, your body has been adapting to a steady climb for a whole hour, suddenly, you exerted tremedous stress on other muscles by suddenly running causing your muscle fibres to potentially rip. Even though, you may have stretched your muscles before your workout, after one hour of the one monotoneous activity, some of your minor muscles have been dormant. Diane, might correct me with the details there I'm sure but I hope you get the gist.

All of you who go to a gym, I really strongly urge you to get a program. And show us your program! I know 95% of gym members who get a program at gyms never follow up with a renewal after 4 weeks. We'll make sure you all do...I reckon its time to bring back the Progress chart....what say you ? (sorry couldnt help quoting an Aragorn line from LOTR)
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Re: Weight Watchers

#1100 Post by funthing29 » Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:46 am

Wow Mr Glass you sure know how to make a gal feel guilty for not going to the gym! :shifty:

I used to go more often than I do now (was 3-4 times a week and is now 1-2 times a week) as I've been so busy lately. Now I go specifically for spinning (Schwinn cycling) classes rather than using the gym equipment.

I sometimes work 8 til 6 and when I get home I'm shattered and I just don't have the energy to do exercise.

I want to do more exercise as my fitness level has dramatically decreased (I can seriously notice the difference) but just need to push myself more. I would like to use the gym after my spinning classes but I often come out all achey and don't have the strength to do more exercise.

Any advice Mr Glass?
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